I have noticed recently in my root mail recent errors like this: -snip- Cron <[email protected]> /usr/share/spamassassin/sa-update.cron 2>&1 | tee -a /var/log/sa-update.log Argument "perl_version" isn't numeric in numeric ge (>=) at (eval 625) line 1. Argument "perl_version" isn't numeric in numeric ge (>=) at (eval 1109) line 1. --snip-- this appears to be a problem caused by an update. fix according to google: --snip-- cd /tmp wget "http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/spamassassin/trunk/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf/Parser.pm?r1=1642207&r2=1642206&pathrev=1642207&view=patch" -O parser.pm.patch wget "http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/spamassassin/trunk/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm?r1=1642207&r2=1642206&pathrev=1642207&view=patch" -O conf.pm.patch patch /usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf/Parser.pm < parser.pm.patch patch /usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm < conf.pm.patch --snip-- in my case (Centos) the path is actually /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Mail/SpamAssassin etc. hopefully this helps. on another topic. I'm still being whackered by spam and customers complaining. I'm seeing blatant spam messages getting scored as .8, and my folks are getting VERY upset. something obviously is not working properly - and I'm wondering if sa-learn is working at all. how to troubleshoot?? or do you have a bit of time which you could log in and take a look at my spamassassin setup? happy to donate appropriately! one final question - I've not upgraded ISPConfig from p4 to p5 - how important is that? have been leery of upgrading recently LOL cdb.