I've installed rainloop seems far superior to roundcube making minor changes to the roundcubemail install procedure. its up and going fine! I've downloaded and enabled the ispconfig change user password plugin... and it needs the mysql access command and a user that can access dbispconfig and change the mail_user password entry for the specified user. the plugin info is: Plugin "ispconfig-change-password" ISPConfig PDO dsn: mysql:host=127.0.0.1;dbname=dbispconfig DB User rainloop DB Password rainlooppassword Allowed emails: * now I added a remote user 'rainloop' but its not working. I guess it cant access dbispconfig itself to alter things? is a remote user what I need to add? or do I need to create a user in mysql and give it access to dbispconfig outside of ispconfig? I'm a bit leery of allowing something access to dbispconfig - and I've make a copy just in case thanks cdb. ps see? nice thread title not at ALL disturbing!