Ok, I am stumped. I have tried everything. I am trying to limit users access to other people files on the server. I have tried everything i can think of... i have suPHP running at the moment, and it is 1/2 right... the issue i was having, was if I was uploading a file though php, it was taking the apache default user's id and gid. now that is solved, but the user can still get access to the complete server files... meaning userA can access userB's files. I have gone as far now, to create the users (which i had done previous) and giving them their own group (instead of using the same group for all users). now userA has a gid of userA and userB, userB. Still, complete access. How can i limit userA to only be able to access userA files, but still be able to upload through php/html and preserve their uid and gid on that file? I am so stumped, and so frusterated that I can't think. I personally dont want to go to ispConfig (even though it is a great program), becuase it is too much for what I need. I have ProFTPD-Mysql, php5, Postfix-with-mysql-email on the server, which is pretty much all i need, as i manage my dns through a separate provider. Can someone please help? or at least point me in the right direction? All i want is a little php user security.... MisterVlad.