I am new to Linux and have been following the tutorial (very nicely written btw, easy to understand etc...) and have one problem with the email. I connect fine on the SMTP server with SSL or TLS however, on pop or Imap (have tried both) I can only connect without security. The SSL times out and the TLS gets an error saying it failed to start. I have tried 3 times with a fresh install and the result is the same. Telnet to localhost shows TLS is there and it does work, Thunderbird has tls settings (or the client says it connects with the setting). I have tried Thunderbird and Outlook 2003 mail clients, the result is the same on SSL (Outlook doesn't appear to have a setting for TLS). Any assistance would be appreciated ____________________________________________________________ Don't think of yourself as ugly, think of yourself as a beautiful monkey.