spoke too soon (slighly) I notice when playing with roundmail (user login) when I tick on the Account tab I see 'SOAP error cannot connect to host at the bottom of some of the screens'. I see from the troubleshooting FAQ that soap errors seem to be associated with permissions on the remote user but all the permissions are ticked correctly... all the error boxes refer to plugin - ispconfig3_account at the bottom and I notice that the config.inc.php file does not use https to connect. one of the urls is: http://ns9.cdbsystems.com/webmail/?_task=settings&_action=plugin.ispconfig3_account how I added https but does not seem to help. HOWEVER it sort of looks like the screens are working. the password field is shown, information is displayed apparrently correctly. maybe this Soap error is ignorable??