i've got a fair amount of experience w/ httpd.conf from WinXP but here in Fedora, which i was expecting to be more intuitive actually seems to be giving me more trouble-- but i'm sure it's me and my inexperience w/ the O/S. anyway-- i've had my ups and downs w/ apache so far on this system, from having no output, to directory browsing only, and now i'm at only /localhost/index.html in the browser... i've got another file in /var/www/html , test.html, which i'm linking to from the index.html file, but if i click to go to test.html from index.html, i get a 403 Forbidden error. is that not bizzare? i followed a lot of this guide down to creating the www user, and the chmod stuff. from there, when i do the ll command, here's what i get (please compare to what's shown at the link provided) Code: [[email protected] www]# ll /home/www/site1/index.* -rw-r--r-- 1 www users 170 Jun 2 23:06 /home/www/site1/index.html can you get anything from that info? why is there a second line w/ more permissions listed in the guide? ideas?