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Old 1st January 2009, 21:41
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I've decided to cut the umbilical to windoze once and for all- completely. The only program I still run on it is Quicken, for my automatic, electronic bill payment, so I should be able to finally get free by running Quicken on an Win emulator in Debian, right? So, in the interest in doing this in an inetlligent manner up front, I'm soliciting anyone's experience in what is the best way to do this. Wine? Qemu? Others? From what I understand, Wine is representative of an API emulator that runs a single program, while Qemu is representative of a total emulator, and runs a whole Windows OS (isn't this also what VMWare does?). Since the only program I need to run is Quicken, I could probably use either and guess my decision is mainly based on stability (expecially since its sole role will be to handle my online monetary transactions) and resource utilization between the various choices.

I'm soliciting anyone's opinion (preferably based on something besides religious affiliation) on what is the best platform for this. Are there any particularly flaky things to watch out for, like network access or such?

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Old 1st January 2009, 21:55
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Looks like wine is the way to go for you.
Have a look here: http://www.benmccann.com/dev-blog/qu...nux-with-wine/
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Old 2nd January 2009, 12:08
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Default try wine if the program doesn't work go for virtualization

Wine, works for a lot of programs but some just don't do well.

If it is only one program I would try wine.

But if it doesn't work you should virtualize. Make sure you have some memory in your ram (2 gb is preferable if you run a desktop virtualized). You can then asign 1gb to your virtual machine and have 1 gb left for your debian.

Vmware server works fine but try virtualbox (it is bit more work to get usb features installed but it also can run vmware appliances).

www.virtualbox.org install then the puel version (free for personal usage, also in business environment)

it has a seamless mode so you see the windows of both desktops mixed through eachother).

Probably you should try virtualization anyhow : it has huge benefits.
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Hmmm! Doesn't this lack of ability to get to the network mean you can't do the automated bill pay function? That is what edge's site seems to imply, and when I checked the wine database it gives a workaround for autoupdate (I think; not sure exactly what the listed fixes actually do), then says you can do electronic banking downloads, but nothing about electronic bill pay.

Thanks for the response!!!
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Old 2nd January 2009, 18:49
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Default Alternative to run Windows under Debian

You also can consider to install the QEMU package from Debian.
It does not need a partition but a big file for Windows instead.

Here are some guides, which can be helpful to you:

http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/qemu.htm
http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/howto...ian-using-qemu
http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computi...with-qemu.jspx
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Well, for the record (and anyone else who wants to do their bills online via Linux), here's my experience:

1. First, I took a look at native Linux programs for online bill pay & banking. I had no idea there was such a thing, since I thought that electronic bill pay cost money & therefore precluded FOSS, but a response to a post brought these to my attention. The ones I looked at were:

gnucash, grisbi, kmymoney2, and moneydance

The first three are open source and, as near as I can tell, do not implement on-line bill pay (can someone correct this if it is not true?). I have no idea why they don't implement on-line bill pay. Moneydance is commercial, but does implement on-line bill pay (not through its own site, however, but through my bank, which does supposedly support the protocol moneydance uses, but offers no support for the program itself).

Since I have been using Quicken's bill pay service, this migration requires two steps: I have to start to pay my bills (with Quicken) through my bank, whereupon my bank will get the online payee information (account number, address, etc.). Then, if I start using moneydance, it will tell my bank to pay such and such a bill, which now has the info to do so. Evidently, there's no way to import all the payee information directly into moneydance and have it "initialize" my bank. If someone knows that this capability does exist, I'd appreciate a post.

This is the route I've chosen to initially try, as it gives me a native program on Linux that does all I want to do. The commercial nature of moneydance doesn't bother me so much: $30 for the capability as a one time charge seems fair enough. Quicken requires an annual update, and, although that is free for Quicken bill pay users, Quicken bill pay costs $12.95/month- all in all, moneydance seems a much better deal. However, in order to prep my bank account, it will probably be a month or so before I install it.

2. In looking at wine, I confronted some anomalous information. There is some allusion to not being able to access the internet, specifically for Quicken's autoupdate function, but it does say it downloads banking information, which would obviously require the internet. Supposedly this is due to the lack of support for "schannel", which is some sort of SSL library. There was no specific information as to whether or not it could access the internet to do the bill pay function, but one would certainly think it'd use SSL for that.

I'm sure someone may know more about this than I do, but it was this unknown that finalized my solution to use #1, above.

3. I really didn't look at the virtual machines. I'm sure they work wonderfully, particularly if you have a bunch of windows stuff you need to do on a regular, on-going basis, but taking a brief look at what it takes to install VMWare, I decided it was way beyond what I needed to run only one program and that one only occasionally. When I found out there was a native program, that cinched it. In fact, it was finding out what a great, native system openoffice was that has led me to attempt to clip the M$ umbilical in its entirety.

Note that, since I haven't actually installed and used moneydance yet, I may be revisiting all this in the near future .

Thanks to everybody who posted and offered information! Hopefully, this will be of help to somebody.

anw
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