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i've got a sneaky suspision that the jailkit daemon wasn't running during install. could that effect it?
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Thats should not matter as the jailkit daemon is not used in that setup. so it can be stopped.
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i dont suppose i can find a list somewhere with what services need to be running at install and all the time
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Just follow the perfect server guide, at the end all services required by ispconfig are installed and running.