WOW! Thanks for the fast response but still no luck. I'll run through the guide again and let you know how i go. i've got a sneaky suspision that the jailkit daemon wasn't running during install. could that effect it? out of curiousity. i dont suppose i can find a list somewhere with what services need to be running at install and all the time. i rekon the distro added a few i didn't need. i nginx to if that changes anythin?