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phorce1 6th March 2009 21:29

Multiple server documentation?
 
Reposting this here as a new thread rather than as the reply to the 3.0.0.9 thread where I originally put it.

Is there any documentation on setting up multiple servers? I've poked around in the latest download and don't see it yet.

By multiple servers I am referring to separating services. Email on one box, web on another box, etc.

Can multiple, redundant, DNS servers be set up? Can the ISPConfig DNS server act as a master with slave installations updating from it?

Can web sites be set up on multiple boxes? Can email be set up on multiple boxes? We have a couple of domains that have been in use for a LONG time. When we point the MX records to those domains they will instantly begin getting hammered with hundreds of thousands of spams daily. They should each be on their own separate machine.

How well does an ISPConfig setup handle REJECTing spam (not BOUNCEing it)? Can the end-user email users adjust their own spam settings or are spam settings strictly a site-wide thing?

Is any of this documented in SVN since I don't see the info in the tarball?

Thanks all,

Gerald

falko 7th March 2009 16:26

I've answered this in the 3.0.0.9 thread. :)

phorce1 8th March 2009 05:50

Moving your answer here so we can possibly, slowly, turn this thread INTO documentation on how to set up multiple servers.
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Originally Posted by falko (Post 173955)
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Originally Posted by phorce1 (Post 17803)
Is there any documentation on setting up multiple servers?

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Originally Posted by falko (Post 173955)
Not yet.

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Originally Posted by phorce1 (Post 17803)
Can multiple, redundant, DNS servers be set up? Can the ISPConfig DNS server act as a master with slave installations updating from it?

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Originally Posted by falko (Post 173955)
Yes and yes. As ISPConfig is using MyDNS, you can simply set up MySQL replication on the slaves.

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Originally Posted by phorce1 (Post 17803)
Can web sites be set up on multiple boxes? Can email be set up on multiple boxes?

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Originally Posted by falko (Post 173955)
Yes.

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Originally Posted by phorce1 (Post 17803)
How well does an ISPConfig setup handle REJECTing spam (not BOUNCEing it)?

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Originally Posted by falko (Post 173955)
You can configure this in the amavisd settings.

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Originally Posted by phorce1 (Post 17803)
Can the end-user email users adjust their own spam settings

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Originally Posted by falko (Post 173955)
Yes


OK, let's get started. (of course, no need for the HUGE quotes in followups).

Setting up multiple servers.

First, I don't want extra services running on machines that don't need them. If I set up a machine that is supposed to have web host and DNS services I only want an SMTP daemon for handling local system user mail for delivering notifications to the "real" mail server box(es).

I am currently more in need of a new email server than anything else. Can I set up JUST email services for 2 or 3 domains now and get the rest set up in a sane manner later?

Can the amavis part be set up to run on a machine separate from the actual mail server(s)? When previously running in house mail servers we had to set up a separate amavisd spam/virus scanning gateway to keep the actual user mail server from getting so bogged down that the users started having problems accessing it.

Right now I have ONE server free for install/testing. It's the old amavisd gateway. Our in-house mail server is still being used by a few customers who are having issues with outgoing mail on the service we chose for outsourcing.

Where do I start? Does ISPConfig have to be installed on each machine separately? If yes, then how does one handle putting different domains on different machines?

All installs here will be done using Debian Lenny.

Thanks,

Gerald

falko 9th March 2009 18:43

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Originally Posted by phorce1 (Post 174055)
Can the amavis part be set up to run on a machine separate from the actual mail server(s)?

That's currently not possible.

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Originally Posted by phorce1 (Post 174055)
Does ISPConfig have to be installed on each machine separately?

ISPConfig must be fully installed on the master server. On the other servers, choose expert mode in the installer so that the installer can connect to the master server.

phorce1 9th March 2009 20:40

No separate spam gateway -- that's gonna hurt. When we took the mail server offline to switch to an outsourced solution (that isn't working out very well) our primary domain was processing nearly 500,000 messages daily, only about 30,000 of those were non-spam.

I've cleared a server for the initial install. Should be interesting since it needs to use a name/setup that's already running on another server.

I'll try to document my steps as I go along so this can become a howto thread.

till 9th March 2009 20:43

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No separate spam gateway -- that's gonna hurt.
You can use a separate spam gateway, but you wil have to modify the postfix master.cf manually after you installed ispconfig.

phorce1 9th March 2009 22:03

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Originally Posted by till (Post 174387)
You can use a separate spam gateway, but you wil have to modify the postfix master.cf manually after you installed ispconfig.

I'm going to try to get started on the initial install this evening to see what I'm dealing with. Things like "Can the email users adjust spam scoring rules or only the score that passes/fails?" If we have to manage the rules for all customers it adds a LOT of man-hours to our support queue. Spam is the primary reason we outsourced mail services. We're looking for a solution now that will allow the end-email-user himself to choose what is and what is not spam.

phorce1 13th March 2009 20:12

I spotted the old roadmap posts and did a quick read through it. It mentions using Exim rather than Postfix but the install text in the tarball says to install Postfix/Courier/et al. Did the roadmap plan change back to Postfix?

Also, the install text file in the tarball for Debian is still using "apt-get install xxx". Current Debian instructions (as of Etch) suggest always using aptitude from now forward. Aptitude command line is essentially the same as apt-get --- "aptitude install xxx".

till 13th March 2009 22:21

Exim is not supported by ISPConfig. Only a very early version supported exim.

apt-get is working fine thats why it is used in the instructions. If you prefer aptitude you may use that, I will stay with apt as long as it works for me and I had situations were apt worked better then aptitude just a few days ago with lenny.

phorce1 14th March 2009 00:36

***NEVER MIND*** I found the mydnsimport program


Got the initial install done. Poking at the underlying software.

It is possible to populate mydns on the master server using a zone transfer from a bind9 server? Gogle has been no help so far.


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