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falko
24th November 2006, 12:41
I need help from a native English speaker regarding this discussion here: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Wardriving_Using_A_Ubuntu_Notebook_With_Garmin_Etr ex_Kismet_And_GPSDrive#c3960285

Is it "a Ubuntu notebook" or "an Ubuntu notebook"? I think if you pronounce Ubuntu "Jubuntu" then it's "a Ubuntu notebook", isn't it?

edge
24th November 2006, 13:09
Thats a hard one...

Normaly "an" is used when the next word starts with an "a", "e", "i", "o" or "u" (as you allready know)

So theoretical it should be "an Ubuntu notebook", BUT as it's a name, I'm not 100% sure!

sjau
24th November 2006, 13:11
I tend to "an" also because "ubuntu" starts with a vowel..

falko
24th November 2006, 13:27
I learnt in school (many years ago :D ) that it's important how you pronounce it, not how you write it. But what's the correct pronounciation of Ubuntu in English? :confused:

sjau
24th November 2006, 18:24
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/esliart.html

ote: The choice of article is actually based upon the phonetic (sound) quality of the first letter in a word, not on the orthographic (written) representation of the letter. If the first letter makes a vowel-type sound, you use "an"; if the first letter would makes a consonant-type sound, you use "a." So, if you consider the rule from a phonetic perspective, there aren't any exceptions. Since the 'h' hasn't any phonetic representation, no audible sound, in the first exception, the sound that follows the article is a vowel; consequently, 'an' is used. In the second exception, the word-initial 'y' sound (unicorn) is actually a glide [j] phonetically, which has consonantal properties; consequently, it is treated as a consonant, requiring 'a'.

And now you can listen to Nelson Mandela on how he pronounces it:
/usr/share/example-contetn/Experience ubuntu.ogg

falko
25th November 2006, 15:23
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/esliart.html

ote: The choice of article is actually based upon the phonetic (sound) quality of the first letter in a word, not on the orthographic (written) representation of the letter. If the first letter makes a vowel-type sound, you use "an"; if the first letter would makes a consonant-type sound, you use "a." So, if you consider the rule from a phonetic perspective, there aren't any exceptions. Since the 'h' hasn't any phonetic representation, no audible sound, in the first exception, the sound that follows the article is a vowel; consequently, 'an' is used. In the second exception, the word-initial 'y' sound (unicorn) is actually a glide [j] phonetically, which has consonantal properties; consequently, it is treated as a consonant, requiring 'a'.

At least I know now that I learnt it right at school. :D

Daniel15
30th November 2006, 12:28
Thats a hard one...

Normaly "an" is used when the next word starts with an "a", "e", "i", "o" or "u" (as you allready know)

So theoretical it should be "an Ubuntu notebook", BUT as it's a name, I'm not 100% sure!

But "An Ubuntu Notebook" just sounds weird :P. "A Ubuntu notebook" sounds much better;)

falko
1st December 2006, 16:51
But "An Ubuntu Notebook" just sounds weird :P. "A Ubuntu notebook" sounds much better;)
I see you're from Australia. So are you a native speaker? :)