This is %#@*&^$# embarrassing!

[domino]

I ran a whois on all my 10 TLD's and this is what I got:

Blacklist Status: Listed - Cached Today

Now I know it wasn't my fault. My ISP was placed on the Blacklist :mad:. Looks like there's no way around this problem. Damn, no business sites until I get a dediacted IP and not in the same ISP.

[till]

I ran a whois on all my 10 TLD's and this is what I got:

Blacklist Status: Listed - Cached Today

Now I know it wasn't my fault. My ISP was placed on the Blacklist :mad:. Looks like there's no way around this problem. Damn, no business sites until I get a dediacted IP and not in the same ISP.

Thats very bad! :mad:

Did only your dynamic IP got blacklisted or the mailserver of your ISP too? If it is only your dynamic IP, have you tried to configure postfix to route all outgoing mail trough the mailserver of your ISP?

[falko]

You could contact the blacklist maintainers and ask them to take you off the blacklist.

[domino]

Well, I don't know how the blacklist proccess is. But ALL my domains are listed as blacklist. So I think my ISP's whole IP thing has been blacklisted. I ran a relay test on this server and there was no problem and my server does not relay.

[falko]

Where are they listed? On which blacklist?

[domino]

When I run the queries on whois.sc, this is exactly what is outputted:


Date Data: 2005-08-21
Source: DNSBL.SORBS.NET
Answer: 127.0.0.* DUL
Information: http://www.dnsbl.us.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml

It is against our policy to use any automation on our site, even though you have silver access. You may not run robots against our site. Any such use will be grounds for termination.

[till]

Maybe you find here an answer:

http://www.dnsbl.us.sorbs.net/overview.shtml

[domino]

Tanks for pointing till. This is the only reason why my IP would be listed.

Dynamic User/Host List Database (DUHL)

Listing is performed manually after contact from netizens or ISPs indicating dynamically assigned space, or whenever SORBS admins notice the same, for example by receiving spam from such an address range.

Note: This list should not list static address space, not even dialups. This is for any dynamically assigned space regardless of the method of connecting them to the Internet.

And if this is the case, while the IP is listed in the blacklist db, mail might not arrive to it's destination because some email servers use sorbs.net blacklist db? I can't contact and complain to my ISP since I am on a residential account and not allowed to run any type of server :mad:. I guess i'll have to live with this until I upgrade. Which is another 4 months to the end of my contract. :rolleyes:

[falko]

From http://www.dnsbl.us.sorbs.net/faq/:

25: I'm blocked.... How do I send mail to the admins of SORBS..?

You can use the mail sending form provided for those blocked. Please remember that you have to use a real email address, as mails with phoney addresses will be ignored.

NOTE: Removal requests for the Proxy databases will be ignored. See: the Retest FAQ. If you have problems obtaining a key or other problems with retester, please feel free to mail.

Their mail sending form is here: http://www.dnsbl.us.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/mail

[domino]

Their mail sending form is here: http://www.dnsbl.us.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/mail

I'm afraid that will be a losing battle, but i'll try. My IP changes at least every 2 days. Another thing to consider is that other scums/clients with my ISP do spam, adding the block to be blacklisted again. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think the only solution is to purchase a dedicated IP. So if it happens again, I can email them with the static IP.

[till]

I'm afraid that will be a losing battle, but i'll try. My IP changes at least every 2 days. Another thing to consider is that other scums/clients with my ISP do spam, adding the block to be blacklisted again. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think the only solution is to purchase a dedicated IP. So if it happens again, I can email them with the static IP.

Have you thought about my solution posted above? Normally every DSL Provider has Mailservers that can be used as mailrelay from the clients. Why not configure your postfix to send all outgoing email trough this mailserver from your DSL Provider?

[domino]

Have you thought about my solution posted above? Normally every DSL Provider has Mailservers that can be used as mailrelay from the clients. Why not configure your postfix to send all outgoing email trough this mailserver from your DSL Provider?
Actually I didn't think about it but if it will resolve this embarrassment, I can try it. I'm in Webmin now under Postfix Configuration --> General Options. There is a setting: What domain to use in outbound mail. I would enter my ISP mail server there?

And also there is another setting in the Other General Options. it is labled: Send outgoing mail via host I would again enter my ISP mail server there?

[till]

Actually I didn't think about it but if it will resolve this embarrassment, I can try it. I'm in Webmin now under Postfix Configuration --> General Options. There is a setting: What domain to use in outbound mail. I would enter my ISP mail server there?

I think this setting will rewrite your outgoing email adresses, better leave it blank.

And also there is another setting in the Other General Options. it is labled: Send outgoing mail via host I would again enter my ISP mail server there?

Yes this looks like the right option, enter the relayserver of your provider here. Sorry, I'am not very familar with webmin :)

[domino]

Yes this looks like the right option, enter the relayserver of your provider here. Sorry, I'am not very familar with webmin :)
That's okay. Most real admins don't need webmin and I have heard horror stories about newbies using webmin and tashing there box :).

I still don't understand how this will remove the IP address from the blacklist database though. I mean, once I use my ISP's smtp for outbound, will the IP be removed from the blacklist database?

[till]

I still don't understand how this will remove the IP address from the blacklist database though. I mean, once I use my ISP's smtp for outbound, will the IP be removed from the blacklist database?

This will not remove your IP from the blacklist, but this is not nescessary any more because the IP of the mailserver of your provider is not blacklisted.

[domino]

Ahh! I get it now. By using my ISP's smtp server, the mail server receiving my mail will not see it as blacklisted. Just a work around so ALL emails that originate from my domains are received. I just hope my friends dont tease me or stone me by running a whois on there domains and foinding out that the domains are blacklisted :D. I really hope only the IP address are blacklisted, and NOT the domain as well. As it is very hard to remove yourself from the database. Especially from sorbs.net

[domino]

I have a bit of bad news :(

<myself@gmail.com>: host mail.myisp.com[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] said: 550 5.7.1
Unable to relay for myself@gmail.com (in reply to RCPT TO command)

I did another test and configured my email client (outook) to send thruogh my ISP smtp server and it works.

[falko]

And also there is another setting in the Other General Options. it is labled: Send outgoing mail via host I would again enter my ISP mail server there?

You could also directly edit /etc/postfix/main.cf. Insert these lines:
relayhost = smtp.yourisp.com
smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
smtp_sasl_security_options =

Then create /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd with a line like this in it:
smtp.yourisp.com smtp_user:smtp_password

Afterwards do this:
chown root:root /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
chmod 600 /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
postmap /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
/etc/init.d/postfix restart

[domino]

As for my ISP, they dont require a username and password. so creating a sasl_passwd isn't neccessary. However they dont allow relaying my from linux.domain.com server :(. Looks like i'll have to go back to direct send and hope people receive messages originating from my server.

I haven't had any problems directly sending to gmail or yahoo, but I bet there are other servers out there that will label my emails as SPAM.

[DaRKNeSS666NL]

I have the same problem If I am sending mail to some. I get the mesage that I am on a blacklist. It's a whole range of ip adresses from my isp.
Going to try to get un listed.
But for that to happen going to use my isp smtp server. I have some questions thoug.

1 must I use smtp.myispdomain.nl or must I use the server, that I also have setup in outlook like netmail.myisp.nl?

And if I send with my isp server witch mail address will the receiver see?
The one I made in ISPConfig or the One I have with my ISP?

TIA DaRKNeSS

[falko]

1 must I use smtp.myispdomain.nl or must I use the server, that I also have setup in outlook like netmail.myisp.nl?I'd use the one from your email client, but if in doubt, you should ask your ISP.

And if I send with my isp server witch mail address will the receiver see?
The one I made in ISPConfig or the One I have with my ISP?

The one you use in your email client.

Also take a look here: http://www.howtoforge.com/postfix_relaying_through_another_mailserver

[DaRKNeSS666NL]

Thanks falco for that link. I am going to take a look at it. I alresdy thought that I must use the server I have got from my isp.

Hope I get things working.

[DaRKNeSS666NL]

Falco,

In your Howto you say that the server must use SMTP-AUTH. If it doesn't can I still send emails via that server?

I think it does not use SMTP-AUTH because in outlook i do not enable the smtp verification and can than use my email acount.

I followd the steps in the tut. and I can't email anymore. I have looked on the postfix wiki and site but cant find any answers, mabey you (or anyboby) can help me?

TIA DaRKNeSS

[falko]

Falco,

In your Howto you say that the server must use SMTP-AUTH. If it doesn't can I still send emails via that server?It depends. But the server should use SMTP-AUTH otherwise it might be easy for spammers to abuse it.

I think it does not use SMTP-AUTH because in outlook i do not enable the smtp verification and can than use my email acount.
Is the IP address of the Outlook system listed in mynetworks in /etc/postfix/main.cf? IP addresses/subnets listed there can send without authentication.

[DaRKNeSS666NL]

No ip adress there only the one I put there with install of ISPConfig 127.0.0.0/8.
I must do some thing wrong cant see it.

But what I ment was that If I want to send mail from my xp pc I must indeed point outlook to my isp server (netmail.home.nl) and give a user name and passwd.
That's SMTP-AUTH ??

But I dont have to enable the smtp verification setting to receive and send mail. I thought in my previous post that this setting was SMTP-AUTH.

Does the howto also aply to an ISPConfig server? That's what I have with Ubuntu 6.10 the perfect setup.

Mabey I must open an new threat in configuration?? Because I think some other people are mabey intrested in this also.

Hope you can help me out, this is my last big problem. Was already very happy that al was working. And now I am blocked as a spammer because of my dynamic ip.

TIA DaRKNeSS

[falko]

No ip adress there only the one I put there with install of ISPConfig 127.0.0.0/8.That's ok.

But what I ment was that If I want to send mail from my xp pc I must indeed point outlook to my isp server (netmail.home.nl) and give a user name and passwd.
That's SMTP-AUTH ??Yes, but at your ISP's server.

Does the howto also aply to an ISPConfig server? Which one exactly (URL)?

[DaRKNeSS666NL]

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaRKNeSS666NL
Does the howto also aply to an ISPConfig server?
Which one exactly (URL)?

I have used this setup to install my server http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.10

And this one to install postfix mail relay trough my isp http://www.howtoforge.com/postfix_relaying_through_another_mailserver

If I now try to send this is in my mail.log using roundcube the mail is send, but it never arives and it isn't bounced back to me.

(/var/log/mail.log)
Feb 1 23:59:03 dcs-server postfix/master[29018]: daemon started -- version 2.3.3, configuration /etc/postfix
Feb 2 00:49:04 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: D250E9D6: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=920, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 00:49:04 dcs-server postfix/smtp[29732]: D250E9D6: to=<v.nimwegen@hccnet.nl>, relay=none, delay=12825, delays=12825/0.05/0.22/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 01:05:44 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: 1BB769D7: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=895, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 01:05:44 dcs-server postfix/smtp[29941]: 1BB769D7: to=<dcs-online@home.nl>, relay=none, delay=12880, delays=12880/0.02/0.13/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 01:55:44 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: D250E9D6: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=920, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 01:55:44 dcs-server postfix/smtp[30572]: D250E9D6: to=<v.nimwegen@hccnet.nl>, relay=none, delay=16826, delays=16826/0.02/0.09/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 02:12:24 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: 1BB769D7: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=895, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 02:12:24 dcs-server postfix/smtp[30792]: 1BB769D7: to=<dcs-online@home.nl>, relay=none, delay=16881, delays=16881/0.02/0.19/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 03:02:24 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: D250E9D6: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=920, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 03:02:25 dcs-server postfix/smtp[31417]: D250E9D6: to=<v.nimwegen@hccnet.nl>, relay=none, delay=20826, delays=20826/0.02/0.11/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 03:19:04 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: 1BB769D7: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=895, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 03:19:04 dcs-server postfix/smtp[31639]: 1BB769D7: to=<dcs-online@home.nl>, relay=none, delay=20880, delays=20880/0.02/0.1/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 04:09:04 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: D250E9D6: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=920, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 04:09:04 dcs-server postfix/smtp[32362]: D250E9D6: to=<v.nimwegen@hccnet.nl>, relay=none, delay=24826, delays=24825/0.02/0.1/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 04:25:44 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: 1BB769D7: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=895, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 04:25:44 dcs-server postfix/smtp[32565]: 1BB769D7: to=<dcs-online@home.nl>, relay=none, delay=24880, delays=24880/0.02/0.11/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 05:15:44 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: D250E9D6: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=920, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 05:15:44 dcs-server postfix/smtp[731]: D250E9D6: to=<v.nimwegen@hccnet.nl>, relay=none, delay=28826, delays=28826/0.02/0.09/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 05:32:24 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: 1BB769D7: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=895, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 05:32:24 dcs-server postfix/smtp[941]: 1BB769D7: to=<dcs-online@home.nl>, relay=none, delay=28881, delays=28881/0.02/0.08/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 06:22:24 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: D250E9D6: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=920, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 06:22:25 dcs-server postfix/smtp[1571]: D250E9D6: to=<v.nimwegen@hccnet.nl>, relay=none, delay=32826, delays=32826/0.02/0.11/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 06:39:04 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: 1BB769D7: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=895, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 06:39:04 dcs-server postfix/smtp[1897]: 1BB769D7: to=<dcs-online@home.nl>, relay=none, delay=32880, delays=32880/0.02/0.08/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 07:29:04 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: D250E9D6: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=920, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 07:29:04 dcs-server postfix/smtp[2518]: D250E9D6: to=<v.nimwegen@hccnet.nl>, relay=none, delay=36825, delays=36825/0.02/0.09/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 07:45:44 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: 1BB769D7: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=895, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 07:45:44 dcs-server postfix/smtp[2738]: 1BB769D7: to=<dcs-online@home.nl>, relay=none, delay=36880, delays=36880/0.02/0.1/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 08:35:44 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: D250E9D6: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=920, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 08:35:44 dcs-server postfix/smtp[3372]: D250E9D6: to=<v.nimwegen@hccnet.nl>, relay=none, delay=40826, delays=40826/0.02/0.1/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 08:52:24 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: 1BB769D7: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=895, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 08:52:24 dcs-server postfix/smtp[3604]: 1BB769D7: to=<dcs-online@home.nl>, relay=none, delay=40881, delays=40881/0.02/0.09/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 09:42:24 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: D250E9D6: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=920, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 09:42:24 dcs-server postfix/smtp[4268]: D250E9D6: to=<v.nimwegen@hccnet.nl>, relay=none, delay=44826, delays=44826/0.02/0.09/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 09:59:04 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: 1BB769D7: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=895, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 09:59:05 dcs-server postfix/smtp[4472]: 1BB769D7: to=<dcs-online@home.nl>, relay=none, delay=44881, delays=44881/0.02/0.11/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 10:49:04 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: D250E9D6: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=920, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 10:49:04 dcs-server postfix/smtp[5108]: D250E9D6: to=<v.nimwegen@hccnet.nl>, relay=none, delay=48825, delays=48825/0.02/0.09/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 11:05:44 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: 1BB769D7: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=895, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 11:05:44 dcs-server postfix/smtp[5316]: 1BB769D7: to=<dcs-online@home.nl>, relay=none, delay=48880, delays=48880/0.02/0.1/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 11:55:44 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: D250E9D6: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=920, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 11:55:44 dcs-server postfix/smtp[5945]: D250E9D6: to=<v.nimwegen@hccnet.nl>, relay=none, delay=52826, delays=52826/0.02/0.1/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.home.nl type=MX: Host not found, try again)
Feb 2 12:12:24 dcs-server postfix/qmgr[29020]: 1BB769D7: from=<admin@dcs-online.nl>, size=895, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 2 12:12:25 dcs-server postfix/smtp[6163]: 1BB769D7:

Hope it help's

DaRKNeSS

[martinfst]

Looks like you did not set the MX record in DNS for mail.home.nl. If you intended to set the MX record for home.nl, remove the system name from your MX record.

[DaRKNeSS666NL]

@ martinfst,
Do not know exactly what you mean but going to take a look at my dns records and try some changes.

DaRKNeSS

[falko]

Is mail.home.nl your own server?

What's in /etc/resolv.conf?

[DaRKNeSS666NL]

First thanks everybody for trying to help me!!!!

Falco
mail.home.nl is the server I must use in my outlook to recieve mail from my isp.
both pop3 and smtp use the same, mail.home.nl.

IN dutch!! the settings http://www.troublesathome.nl/index.php?section=faq&page=instellingen#vraag6

So is it the adress of my own server no.

In my /etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 192.168.1.1
thats the ip from my router.

[falko]

In my /etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 192.168.1.1
thats the ip from my router.
Try this instead in /etc/resolv.conf:

nameserver 145.253.2.75
nameserver 193.174.32.18

[DaRKNeSS666NL]

Are that just some name servers. Mabey I can also give the name server of my ISP??

Tried your sugestion no go also i have put the name servers from my isp and tryed again, again no go.

starting to think I am going to give it up......................

[falko]

What's the output of dig mx mail.home.nl on your server?

[DaRKNeSS666NL]

Falco,

I have asked Till for paid suport so I hope everything is now going to work in a few days.

I ran out of time, I am working on a site as a gift to my wife for her birthday and
I must test of the mail and everything is working fine.

I must thank you for your time and suport.

DaRKNeSS